Saturday, October 23, 2010

E3 Expo highlights the struggle between HD DVD and Blu-ray


In recent years, the next generation of game consoles as the continuous surface, the annual Electronic Entertainment Expo E3 (Electic Entertainment Expo) show a giant stage game, this year has Sony's PS3 and Nintendo's Wii confrontation. However, the real affect people's or HD DVD and Blu-ray evolution of competition.

E3 2006: different from the past

E3, gamers around the world is undoubtedly the most concerned about the activities. The annual E3, gamers have to show the latest game technology, software and hardware equipment, from here we can clearly feel the game world, especially in the field of video game development and trend of the last two years a new generation of game consoles as floating out of the water, making E3 became the first publicity Challenge game consoles.
Figure 3 E3 2005 PS3 model on display, backplane interface, people watching feel dizzy - 2 HDMI, 3 Ethernet, two USB, one optical digital output, a composite AV output terminal.

May 10 in Los Angeles at E3, also added a Aspect, HD DVD and Blu-ray and that is competition. Historically, no big E3 show next to the CD-ROM format involving competition (the previous host competition, not competing disc formats, but have replaced old ones), which was unusual so let E3 2006.

PS2 release, it uses the CD after CD in the consumer electronics (CE) field has been unified disc format DVD (PS2 released in the first 5 years of the unification), but after the launch of the XBOX this is also based on DVD, from that point it, DVD is no longer the PS2 and XBOX an area of competition. 6 years later, however, the situation has changed, when the PS3 officially announced its configuration, launch date and price, we will find the competition in next-generation console, the DVD disc format after the obvious choice there is disagreement between (Sony's official PS3 release configuration to be released), Nintendo's Wii next-generation optical disc format does not support the plan, the main character falls on the PS3 and XBOX 360 (hereinafter referred to as the XO) who, given the PS2 was on the DVD a great impetus to support the PS3 Blu-ray HD DVD's XO and support Blu-ray and HD DVD is undoubtedly the focus of camp.



Figure 1 (PS3-UP.jpg) PS2's successor - PS3 final design can be seen from the graph, it uses a slot-in Blu-ray Disc-ROM drive.



Figure 2 PS3 finally released in two versions, left for the 20GB hard drive version, priced at 499 U.S. dollars, the right for the 60GB hard drive version, priced at 599 U.S. dollars, both in appearance the same, but have different interfaces and configuration .

PS3 Blu-ray burst on the scene towering soft decoding

Sony PlayStation in the field of TV Game is undoubtedly a resounding brand, the brand's appeal can be said to be far more than Sony's appeal in the CE field. The latest PS3 will undoubtedly be a brilliant continuation of the brand an important weapon, and when its at this E3, the listing plan and specific allocation and prices, we also have the basis of its analysis.

Then the PS3's capability to do? E3 this year brought us the ultimate answer - features are shrinking, prices were expected. When the clear after the date listed on their plans for Blu-ray promotion of the countdown of the ... ...

PS3 for Blu-ray camp has not say anything meaningful, from the Paramount had support from a single HD DVD to Blu-ray and HD DVD on the support of the attitude change, and the president of 20th Century Fox support Blu-ray in an interview about the reasons PS3 when all the factors mentioned, we can see it in the eyes of the status of content providers, and content providers of the importance for the disc format war is self-evident. Business is bullish on the issue of PS3 from the PS to the PS2 to see developed from a large consumer group, these people will be PS3 PS loyalists are likely to develop to the customer, Sony plans starting two million units in the PS3, is what Blu-ray or HD DVD players are no match figures (Toshiba's HD DVD players sold in the United States starting in a week from 10,000 to 15,000 and Taiwan).

PS3 here is clearly with the status of its games to promote the Blu-ray movie release, the first user is not necessarily aimed at the PS3's Blu-ray to go, but it is certainly directed against PS3 games to go, but the result is that the Blu-ray created a ready-made group of potential consumer Blu-ray Disc, CD-ROM to watch the film if such users, in addition to that Blu-ray DVD, so film distributors will not ignore the potential market created by the PS3. As a result of the original PS2 is already integrated CD successors, so promoting the DVD format is smooth sailing, PS3 Being caught among the disc format war, but its appeal to create a substantial consumer market is a Blu-ray easy, and it's games is to release Blu-ray disc, so PS3 was a curse until, really can not see the possibility of Blu-ray are dead - this is where the power of PS3.

PS3 will be available this November 11 and 17, one after another in Japan and the United States market, there are two versions, which Sony claims last year, XO will not engage in that kind of marketing has been different, but more controversy appeared in the PS3 itself hardware configuration.

Two versions of PS3, Sony people obviously feel the cost pressure, because the consoles at a loss to sell fine, but how much loss there is stress, and a console to sell 599 U.S. dollars is inconceivable, for Sony PS3 on the low version of the player like to save a lot of things, to launch the version of 499 U.S. dollars (in fact, believe that if the can down the case, Sony will certainly drop, but could not move it is down). Here we have to compare.

From the application point of view, Blu-ray, PS3 is clearly a purely "soft decode" players, by means of the powerful Cell processor performance, and the corresponding player (Sony has not released information) to complete the Blu-ray movies The play, including VC-1, AVC, MPEG-2 video and DD +, DTS-HD audio such as surround decoding, there is the blue-Java implementation of interactive features. Sony dares to do so, also showed the Cell's skill, but 256MB of main memory capacity will not become a bottleneck it? The first generation Toshiba HD DVD player using the Red Hat operating system (Linux), just deal with interactive features 1GB of memory on the configured, Broadcom's AVC/VC-1/MPEG-2 also a separate video decoder chip equipped with 64MB of DDR-400 memory. Of course, HD DVD with the iHD interactive environment, using a Blu-ray Blu-ray-Java, perhaps it will take up much less than the resources iHD instead.

20GB version for a lot of unhappy players is not HDMI, and dual HDMI port is also Sony has advertised the design, but now it appears the use of special composite AV output port design, the number of people are quite surprising. In fact, blame Sony, hanging high ahead of appetite, in fact, at the moment, there is no HDMI does not affect the high-definition (HD) signal output. This aspect will be further explored below.



Table 1 PS3 Technical Indicators

Note: Middle-earth is yellow marked difference of two versions of PS3 is worth noting that, PS3 CPU and GPU used in the frequency of this and not released, allegedly with the E3 2005 may also be announced in different.
Table 2 design between different versions PS3



Note: The first release from the design and comparison, we see the PS3 in the design of the degradation.
Possessed by way of HD DVD in the XBOX 360 Peripherals

XO had to ensure the progress and reasonable listing price, and do not rush to adopt the HD DVD, although the market before the XO, Microsoft will show its support of HD DVD's position. But the lack of the HD DVD of the XO, for a new generation of game consoles in terms of how much appear that something was lacking, especially when its biggest rival - PS3 Original Blu-ray, when matched with the disc format is not supported, at least people that short half-head.

Microsoft is certainly aware of its next-generation optical disc format for the living room on the XO strategic significance, at this E3, Microsoft has finally given the answer - with USB peripherals provide HD DVD player (Microsoft calls HD DVD Player, pay attention to its wording differences Drive).

HD DVD Player's design is simple, using USB 2.0 interface with the host connected to XO, but with the USB Hub has its own function, it provides two USB-A interface, to avoid connecting it, which leads to a host USB interface, XO the number of losses.
Figure 4 Microsoft vice president and head of interactive entertainment business Peter Moore Show XBOX 360-HD DVD player accessories, announced that the Christmas holidays this year (November to mid December) market, with the PS3 against the intent of self-evident.

Since the theoretical USB 2.0 transfer rate 48MB / s (8bit = 1Byte not by way of calculation, because USB is 10b/8b coding, use 480Mbps divided by 10 to calculate the true theoretical value), while the HD DVD a speed of rate of 4.5MB / s, so USB 2.0 will support the HD DVD read speed of 10X, and will not become the bottleneck of data transmission (watching HD DVD movies can only 1X). In the decoding side, from the cost considerations, the external player, they should not have AV output capability, only play a role in the original CD-ROM data read, spread through the USB host, and then use the host's processing capacity soft extract. XO's main CPU frequency is 3.2GHz, unified memory architecture (shared with the GPU) is the capacity of 512MB, I do not know can not be qualified for all of the HD DVD playback and interoperability, but Microsoft certainly have to do to develop a dedicated player. In addition, the attachment can also be controlled by XO unified remote control.

Microsoft's design from the point of view, should be a standard half-height HD DVD-ROM drive, if not I expected, may be NEC's HR-1100A, but the recent news that Microsoft is prepared to find that China Taiwan OEM partner products, so do not rule out a certain brand of China Taiwan Province of products (such as Lite), to reduce overall costs, ensuring the user's buying.

As for the price, half-built high-type HD DVD-ROM drive should cost between 100-150 U.S. dollars, to see how the final decision of the company. The time of writing this article news that Microsoft had before the E3 XBOX website, will be around 199 U.S. dollars, but during E3, the relevant information has disappeared from the XBOX website, it seems PS3 XO is in reference to the "offer" and be re-evaluated.

Christmas day when the war

Now we have to analyze XO PS3 and Blu-ray and HD DVD drive in terms of factors, PS3's market and XO-HD DVD attachment listing date could not help but reminds me of my Toshiba Digital Media Network Company Yoshihide Fujii released in Japan HD-XA1 HD DVD player when the position - and the blue end of the year see the outcome of competition. Seems to have expected the PS3 and the XO-HD DVD competition between, and this competition will undoubtedly determine the outcome of HD DVD and Blu-ray one of the key factors. The two sides of the launch date, are set in the 2006 Christmas holidays, we may say, HD DVD and Blu-ray will be between the fight started at the time, compared to the previous HD DVD player, notebook computer and Blu-ray player to market can only be considered a kind of warm bedding.

Many people worry about 499 U.S. dollars of the PS3 and the XO-HD DVD Without HDMI interface, it is not output Full HD images (resolution of 1920 脳 1080, i and p have do not care), can only get 960 脳 540 resolution, so have expressed no interest, but if this is the case, then Sony and Microsoft really is crazy. In fact, from the latest AACS (Advanced Access Content System, HD DVD and Blu-ray shared copyright protection system) to set terms, can not pass HD component video output signal, depends on the producers when the production of CD-ROM set, which is the image curb markers (ICT, Image Constraint Token), if you set ICT = 1, no problem, if ICT = 0, only through HDMI or DVI output with HDCP protected HD signal.

The present situation, in addition to Warner Brothers intends to use part of the program heading ICT restrictions, and other mainstream Hollywood producers will not ICT is set to 0, at least initially is the case, and certainly Sony Pictures PS3 will not retreat from the off, so that the PS3 and XBOX 499 U.S. dollars an external HD DVD drive can not output Full HD signals are not objective! Moreover, also unlike the foreign media put it, HDCP whether used in real terms or in the AACS standard itself.

Toshiba HD DVD player instructions in there on the component video output HD signal, but depends on the disc set's description, HD DVD player can, then the XO will not have problems with the PS3.

However, AACS in ICT has also made the following provisions:

鈼?hardware products with AACS, ICT must have the corresponding function

鈼?sold in Japan, Blu-ray and HD DVD discs, in the December 31, 2010 not to join the ICT function before

鈼?2011 onwards the production of hardware, analog interface, can output standard definition (SD) video, HD video signals only through the HDMI interface output. After 2014 production of hardware products, whether HD or SD signals to analog interface can output.
Figure 5 HD DVD Player XO accessories and contrast with the host.

From which we can easily see that the color output Full HD signal cut-off date of December 31, 2010, after which, AACS is the attitude of ICT will be forced to 0, meaning that if the configuration does not change, 499 yuan The PS3 and the XO-HD DVD then Blu-ray can not normally watch a DVD or HD DVD. This is clearly also a major source of concern, but Microsoft and Sony are also the founder of AACS standards, for it is impossible to do not understand. However, existing hardware design, the 499 U.S. dollars for PS3 and XO hard to provide by way of additional features HDMI output, but they are likely to be in the hands of content publishers to use ICT in 2011 still will not be restricted.

Sony Computer Entertainment (SCE) software platform Part Minister, Minister of network development in Western Springs, in an interview, says that 499 U.S. dollars a PS3 can be "safe" to use in 2011, and according to Sony's view, in 2011 After the simulation of the real implementation of AACS restrictions on output will not be a lot of publishers, so players can still enjoy the Full HD component video fun. Peter Moore said in an interview, also expressed similar views.

However, the judgments are based on those who receive high-definition color film through the source to produce serious and piracy is not made, because the port for the HD signal color, though inferior in quality Blu-ray or HD DVD's original, but the basic viewing needs to meet, so in some countries and regions, there may be a "mock copy of piracy." Writer believes that the initial Blu-ray or HD DVD program, in theory, by this Fangfa piracy 閮芥湁 possibility key to the degree of development of events, and producers a response to so 鑰? HD DVD and Blu-ray is now offering to be very strict anti-piracy countries, if the sale to the global scope, this "analog copy piracy" will also appear. If piracy in some countries and regions, the rapid emergence and spread, then the producers in their own interest, it is possible by adding ICT mandatory restrictions, 499 U.S. dollars at that time the PS3 and XO-HD DVD is not easy to say the situation was. Even the staunch support of its products Sony Pictures, can not but consider this aspect.

So, wants to see XO or PS3 HD DVD or Blu-ray video players, in the end would XO-HD DVD or 499 U.S. dollars of the PS3 have much interest in, and now really can not say.
Figure 6 HD DVD Player a bit like a mini version of the XO, but more like a book.

Figure 7 HD DVD Player of the backplane design, two standard USB-A interface and a miniUSB-B interface, and a standard two-phase external power connector, while the back cover that can be opened is a mystery, it is said, and WiFi related.

HD DVD: to survive is victory

PS3 and XO-HD DVD competition, no doubt will be Blu-ray and HD DVD camp about the competitive situation, the most important, it will affect content publishers to further the strategic plan. Blu-ray with its strong industry support for power to be rid of HD DVD is highly unlikely, and in this respect even the president of Toshiba's Nishida and Blu-ray in about the next competition, it said, HD DVD and Blu-ray will be will co-exist, contrary Blu-ray camp, has always maintained that he was the ultimate winner, in other words, HD DVD lost. HD DVD can survive as long as, it can be said that a victory!

According to Toshiba Digital Media Network Company Yoshihide Fujii released in the HD DVD player in Japan when the forecast to the end of 2006, the HD DVD player / recorder of global shipments of 60 to 700,000 units, while the XO-HD DVD's about 30 million units sold around, so Toshiba's view is that, when the global consumer electronics (not including IT in the field) and HD DVD playback platform will be about 1 million, then the figure starts with the PS3 when Sony is expected to that 200 million compared to the pros and cons of fully shown.

Here, we do not want to analyze both the accuracy of prediction, relatively speaking, with PS and PS2 user base the number of terms, Sony's 2 million forecast is likely to be achieved, but 2 million of PS3 users will not be true The Blu-ray will become a loyal group of consumers is hard to say. This is the original one can buy PS2 to see when the DVD is not the same. DVD has been unified since that time, bought a PS2 after viewing the DVD film in to the source is totally guaranteed, but the Blu-ray not the same, its future is not a virtual certainty, so the consumer will be the main PS and Blu-ray's loyal fans. Therefore, the blue one is a big selling point for PS3, but in the eyes of some users may be impeding another reason for its purchase of PS3.

Link 1: Why is Microsoft so firmly support the HD DVD?

Ever since Microsoft officially announced last September to support HD DVD later, HD DVD camp, the main characters seem to become from Toshiba, Microsoft, people can not help but to ask a question, why Microsoft will be very important in competition with Blu-ray at a distinct disadvantage in HD DVD?

If you look at HD DVD and Blu-ray the difference between, we may be able to find the answer. In terms of volume, HD DVD than Blu-ray's rival, HD DVD despite the ROM single layer specifications, but has yet to be finalized, at least the first generation of HD DVD players do not support this specification can not later be able to upgrade Firmware support is hard to understand, while the double-ROM 50GB Blu-ray has been clear, and burn size are achieved by this standard.

The cost, HD DVD and Blu-ray's advantage is obvious now, but life is not for the DVD disc format under the more backward, the more the production costs of both parties tend to close, just like the DVD and CD CD production costs, even though there are gaps, but has not the problem. Although the dual-layer Blu-ray-ROM production there is still a problem, but advances in technology make these problems finally resolved, because of cost advantages, the firm also does not enable Microsoft to support HD so DVD.

In the anti-piracy, the Blu-ray HD DVD more than two screens, one is blue +, one ROM Mark, the former contents of the CD-ROM copy of the restrictions were more stringent, while the latter hopes to produce the source CD ROM stifle piracy, only in the authorized production equipment to produce the corresponding blue-ROM discs. Microsoft does not like Blu-ray +, but the Blu-ray camp also say so, and support for Microsoft's mandatory managed copy (MMC) requirements, while the transitional period and did not realize AACS MMC, this could be Microsoft's catch- function has also been equipped with Blu-ray.

Microsoft to still be on the HD DVD a crush, it was said that Sony is to suppress the development momentum is indeed the case, but what if Microsoft would be deprived of the benefits of practical, no doubt brought this upon ourselves, why Microsoft support the iPod, why did they support the interconnection with the PSP, which has its sharp contrast against the blue. Then never set foot in consumer electronics hardware production company, the biggest reason to support HD DVD is it? Set aside to compete with Sony holding the Blu-ray development pace, let Blu-ray grand strategic reasons can not be achieved, there is also an important reason that there may be in the consumer electronics and try to the iHD interactive technology.

Microsoft this with many consumer electronics manufacturers Jingdianzhizhan between its root lies - not with Java or Java.

For Microsoft, hopes to use the software platform in the family over the control of a general framework to support the HD DVD is also for this consideration. HD DVD uses iHD interactive technology, which is made based on XML technology development, its main rival is the Sun's Java language.

The current situation is that most consumer electronics manufacturers allegiance to Java-based Multimedia Home Platform (MHP, Multimedia Home Platform) for Blu-ray format. MHP has been in the TV area of clear standards for their own interactive platform position. MHP in Europe a wide range of applications, it is also the company's U.S. CableLabs Open Cable Application Platform (Open Cable Application Platform) and the U.S. Advanced Television Systems Committee (ATSC, Advanced Television Systems Committee) of the senior common application platform (Advanced Common Application Platform ) standard based technology.

IP Action Partners partner Stuart Lipoff said, "For the MHP, the industry should be ready development tools, and accumulated some experience and a huge installed base growing, and its growth from the impact of DVD. But do not like Microsoft Java, MHP, where people from trying to lead to iHD, so war is inevitable. "

Microsoft support HD DVD at the same time, it reproached Blu-ray using Java Environment, which will potentially high royalty. According to HP said the Java-based Blu-ray format's license, including the global implementation of the MHP standard (Globally Executable MHP standard), from Sun's Java test suite, as well as the cost of Blu-ray-Java itself.

In the PC, with Vista operating system, Microsoft will no longer need that Java, while Vista's underlying architecture is also above the iHD interactive technology, it can be said with the HD DVD is a natural fit, as Microsoft's offensive weapons to the living room, XO to support HD DVD is expected in the.

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